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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 6, 2007 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Blubbering Deadheads

Just for the record: All you fair-weather deadheads that have a problem with a particular Dead show, feel free to name the concert you would have skipped

Me…Zero, I would have gone to every one of them given the chance

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 6, 2007 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

not sure how skipping a particular show makes one a "fair-weather deadhead," especially given the fact that pretty much anyone who spends time on this board--twelve years after the demise of arguably one of the greatest musical acts to put foot on the stage--the chances are they have enough commitment and love to the music and/or the band to not warrant that label at all; not to mention that posted several threads below is a comment by a forum member as to how he gave his tiks away for a show instead of going himself ... now, does this make him as you say, a "fair-weather deadhead" because he decided to pass up the opportunity, and i suspect because he felt something had been lost, however that's his call to make or not, i'm just presuming given what i know of him; anyhow, the lovely thing about folks here is that they welcome opinions dressed in every colour conceivable, and you've got yours, i have mine, and others have theirs ... cheers

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Poster: mcglone Date: May 6, 2007 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

having that forum member back in the fold, sure makes this a better place...

ian

This post was modified by mcglone on 2007-05-06 21:26:19

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 6, 2007 2:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

"having that forum member back in the fold, sure makes this a better place..."

Ian ... i am 100% in agreement with that statement ... T.

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 6, 2007 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

Possibly the people who feel a technical analysis of a grateful dead show is reasonable might be missing the point

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Poster: elkdog Date: May 6, 2007 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

I think it's actually helpful to an extent on the Archive. Let's just assume that it is my goal to have a bunch of really excellent Dead shows, but that I don't have the time or inclination to listen to all 3,000+. It's helpful to be told that a show isn't all that great. I don't "attend" shows on the archive; I listen to them. Someone noting that the band wasn't in peak form saves me some time, bandwidth, and CD's. I'm cool with that.
Every show would have been a blast to attend, but when it's just the music, I think it's ok to be picky.
Bashing music is always useless, imo. Criticism is fine, but the Dead never really sucked.

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 6, 2007 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

Good point. This is an issue when reading some reviews i.e., the people that were there say it was fantastic, others who listen to it 20 or 30 years later say it sux. I agree with you, maybe some shows are better than others; however, this again is subjective, for example, some people hated Donna and think the 70's were the worst years for the band, I would disagree and possibly because I always liked Donna,I think the 70's were some of the best years

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 7, 2007 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

I think Donna's singing is 98% wretched but I still think the 70's were the bands musical peak. Regardless of one's era of listening preference I'm at a loss as to how anyone can deny this.

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 12, 2007 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-05-17.sbd.weiner.18554.sbeok.shnf

This is a good show for Donna

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 6, 2007 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

The Dead never really sucked? As much I love the boys, I saw a show or two, that while I would gladly like to have the overall experience with friends, parking lot, etc, the music, was in a word, pretty much shit. Sorry if that offends some, but Jerry dying in front of my eyes and getting lost in some haze of his own, during the 10,000th time he covered Chuck Berry was, in a word, tragic.

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Poster: Street Pig Date: May 6, 2007 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

There was nothing like a Grateful Dead Concert, They were not the best at what they did, they were the only ones who did what they did, turned an asphalt parking lot into a sea of happieness for a day, painted a smile on faces and gave people an opportunity to explore themselves in realms never imagined, going to one concert and reading abunch of reviews is not the way start a thread like this but since ya started it, from 76 to 94 I saw some stellar shows and some not too great but the scene, vibe and experience alone was sufficient. I met some true charatcers on the road that I will never forget. "IF you get confused Listen to the music play, Pig

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 6, 2007 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

You mis understood my reply, I was conceding the point that possibly in the 90's maybe people regretted going to some shows, most of the shows I went to were in the 70's and the last was in 94; however, even in 94 I thought they were good

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: May 6, 2007 5:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

Hey Now

My two cents would be it just depends what kind of mood I am in. Sometimes in giving a hard but honest critique of a show it just shows how high deadhead standards are. Other times people including myself just got to bitch and moan. I grumbled about Sweeden 90, the show was sub-par, does that make me less of a head? I would have traded that show for a sweedish babe in a heartbeat. Sometimes,in the 90's I would hang outside and sing and jam with the locals or tour heads who were shut out.

This whole being a Deadhead thing is a balancing act.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 6, 2007 5:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

True. For me it's give and take and also risk/reward. Knowing what i know about the dead and improv and the gambles they took night in, night out there were going to be off nights and I accepted that. However, there is a huge difference between gambles and not caring. The later years had nights when there was little to no effort. That's where my complaint comes in. When you invest time on the dead hotline, post office wait, travel via car or air, hotel, ect and to have the band come out and not try it's a bit frustrating. When I cared more about the music then the band is when I gave up. if that's blubbering so be it, but as Rodney Dangerfield said in caddyshack, "well, I'm no doorknob either."

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: May 6, 2007 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads/ Folks who don't understand that their heroes are not infallible.

In my 18 years of seeing the Grateful Dead, with over 200 shows under my belt, I can't remember ever talking to any Heads who couldn't point out some shows that were not up to par and which they thought were bad shows. Any discerning fan recognizes that just because you love the band, does not mean that everything they did was perfect or even good. I get so sick of short sighted people who have blind faith and cannot admit the shortcomings of their heroes, religion, nation or anything else for that matter. The boys were. after all, human, and not infallible. They were also a "team" that , once in a while, did not mesh properly. While the band certainly does not owe us anything, by the same token, neither do we owe them anything. Yes, I was treated to some of the most beautiful and inspiring music and sounds I have ever heard,. I was also provided with some disorganized crap. This is the risk that is inherent in "jam" music, it doesn't always mesh and for it to work, every member has to be focused and firing on all cylinders. I don't think it is out of order to point out the times it didn't work. Most of us spent a lot of money and devoted a lot of time to this band. To call us fair weather fans because we are willing to speak our mind does not do a thinking fan justice.

Certainly I would not have missed the experience of being with my friends, or the party at any show I attended. Having said that, many of those shows are sloppily played, or played with no focus etc. and there were quite a few shows among the ones I saw that, musically, were inferior and downright bad. I am not now, nor was I then, afraid to call them out when I thought they deserved it. While I possess most shows I attended there are some which I will never download or listen to again. Seeing as you asked for examples I will list a few.... 8-31-79 and 4-15-86 come to mind immediately, and I would say that a full third of the shows I attended after '91 were pretty weak. If pressed i can come up with others.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2007-05-06 21:43:04

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 6, 2007 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads/ Folks who don't understand that their heroes are fallible.

Fair enough, I only saw them once in the 90's. Possibly the argument here is whether the scene was worthy of attendance or not. For example, if you didn’t have a ticket for a certain show and got stuck outside, was it worth it?

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: May 6, 2007 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads/ Folks who don't understand that their heroes are fallible.

i was fortunate enough to get into every show I went to, including a handful i didn't have tickets to. I would say that, after having travelled hundreds of miles, spent hundreds of dollars, and focusing on getting into the show, anytime you were left out would have been a disappointment.

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 6, 2007 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads/ Folks who don't understand that their heroes are fallible.

I would disagree, some of the shows I didn't get in to were better than some I got in to

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: May 7, 2007 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

This is the kind of bullshit I can't stand (i.e., the Dead are gods and its sacrilege to say anything harsh about their performances). If you are suggesting this band was incapable of really stinking up the joint on a bad night, I must disagree in the strongest possible terms. It’s like going to see your favorite sports team play: the experience as a whole is almost always enjoyable enough to keep you going back when you can, but sometimes the team itself plays well and sometimes it doesn’t. Breaking down what went right and what went wrong after the fact is as much a part of being a fan as the pre-game anticipation.

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 12, 2007 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

On the contrary, accepting their "fallibility" is opposed to idol worship; with the GD you had to take what you could get. Possibly a preconceived notion of infallibility has led to current criticism

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: May 12, 2007 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

Or just the fact that some nights they weren't very good.

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 13, 2007 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

Ot possibly some nights they were better than other nights?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: May 14, 2007 5:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

No question about that...but occasionally some of those "other nights" were simply bad performamnces. The band has readily admitted this themselves. The notion that there was no such thing as a bad night for this band is not one I subsribe to.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: May 6, 2007 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

"You get what you come for, you're ready to go
It's one in ten thousand just come for the show"

Don't it all depend on what you wanted? Did you want the exactly perfect brothers band? The heart of gold band? Did oui enjoy the scene even if the concert sucked? Was the concert great, but the temperature 105? Did someone puke on your shoes?

What are the criteria? Tapes are a great way to get inside the music of any given show--but what about the ambience?

So which is it?

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Poster: lobster12 Date: May 6, 2007 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

don't know where/how this post started and what got you all amped up but for the record the 1995 vegas shows are time and money i would love to have back. Knowing what i know now, I would have gladly let you take my place at those shows

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Poster: Flakey Foont Date: May 6, 2007 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Blubbering Deadheads

I am not necessarily amped up, I was just reading some show reviews and some people were going on about how this show sucked and that show was worse. These comments were not about 90’s shows either. If someone has a beef with the recording quality, that could be a constructive comment; however, to snivel about seeing the grateful dead is a bit much